I was on the FunnelUp Podcast (twice!)

My long-time friends Andy and Rich have had me on their FunnelUp Show a couple of times now. Back in November, I was on the show to discuss the ins and outs of funnel software, including my take on MailChimp, ClickFunnels, Ontraport, and Infusionsoft.

And just last week, I filled in for Andy (he was out sick) as Rich’s co-host. We interviewed direct mail marketing expert Michael Johnston.

Best part: Andy has since made a full recovery and is beginning to return to his normal routine.

Anyway, check it out over at